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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 08:26 AM UTC
Hi guys,
here's my extended gunshield for the 3,7cm Flak; I think, this part is really matching the original shields you can see in the Squadron-book on page 28. And there's a cut on the lower edge of the side-armor and the opening for the sights are round and not flat.
...but it's not yet ready - a lot of filling and sanding is still to be done.







Maybe the sketchwith approx. dimensions is helpful!?

Michael
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:44 AM UTC
Hi Chris, I'm a bit late reacting to this posting Thank you very much, this is excellent and will save a lot of squinty measuring from screenies. This combined with the metal 37mm barrel should make a very impressive piece of hardware on the near stern of the boat.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 10:16 AM UTC
Thanks a lot Chris, great service I'm sure I'm not the only one who is grateful for being able to save some time on the build.

Cheers,

Arjan



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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 09:34 AM UTC
As requested:



Please realize that I took the measurements after putting it together!!

Chris
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 08:39 PM UTC
Hi Chris,
Spot on! I'm glad you had the courage to have a go at it for the third time. Besides, now I can also use your pics as reference Could you please give us the approximate dimensions of the top panel, that would save us quite a bit of work.

Cheers,

Arjan
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 02:16 PM UTC
Arjan -

You were right - the gun shields are bulkier than my 2nd attempt. So, here is my 3rd attempt:









I think the third time was the charm - thanks for feedback!

Chris
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 06:34 AM UTC
Hi Julian/Michael,
Julian, if I were you I would change them regardsless of the extra work involved. I've been retracing my steps quite a few times during this build. I removed my homemade rivets twice ( nearly three full days' work down the drain ), I made about 4 sets of struts before I got them right, I filled in quite a number of holes I had drilled in the model, I've removed my speechtubes for the third time etc. I've come to regard this build as a Zen exercise in patience and endurance Brian's bridge pic also involved a lot of extra work, e.g. I removed the attachments for the swivel seats which are completely wrong (so are the supporting frames themselves). This wasn't easy because I had already assembled the pilothouse ... By the time this build is over I will probably be a Zen master
I think the stanchions were bolted but I doubt if these were countersunk (I hope not, that would be another few days' work down the drain). I 've been using my beading tool to make rivets/bolts (at any rate, bits of similarly sized plastic) for the stanchions. I use black plastic (packaging material) which is easier on the eyes. I agree with your conclusions about the gunshield extensions. I compared some pics of the standard gunshields and there appear to be some small differences in width.

Cheers,

Arjan

Postscript: By the way Brian informed me that there will be an article in which a salvaged Kalotte is closely examined (by John Murphy) in the next issue of Model Military. It might be wise not to start painting your Kalotte for the time being....
Gotrek58
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 06:24 AM UTC
Hi Arjan,
what about your stanchions? Are you sure, they were riveted to the deck - 3 rivets per stanchion? I would prefer they are bolted, so its easier to make 3 countersinked screws with the "MDC rivetmaker" (a tool I normaly use for my aircrafts).
... and I'm still waiting for the Archer rivets...
So I have time to extend the 3,7cm-gun shield; I think it has to be extended on both sides before adding the side armor. Looking at the pics, it seems that the width of the shield between the cuts for the gun and the sights is nearly the same width as between the sight-cut and the left or right end of the shield!? So lets try with card...

regards to all the guys worldwide having fun with that extraordinary BEAST

Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 03:56 AM UTC
Thanks Sean, nice to see that there are some "Kiwi's "on the board. I am quite happy with the outside hull, the aft bulkhead with the helmet racks is a bit OTT, looks like someone has been bashing it with a sledge hammer (must remember to make the chips even smaller).
Arjan, I could tell you some amazing Bravo Sierra story about the Japanese potters who say that perfection is for the Gods and make a mistake in the glazing on purpose to prove that their porcelain is man made but the truth of the matter is that I pooched the inspection hatches in a right regal manner, realizing about 30 minutes after super glueing them to the tube casings that I had managed to do just about everything wrong. The good thing is that most people will not notice so I'll leave them as they are as permanent reminder to myself to do my research properly
cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 09:17 AM UTC
Hi Julian,
Once more your paintwork looks really great. I also noticed that you scratched the small hatches on the foredeck. I don't want to be rude but I'm afraid you should have rotated them 90 degrees. But then, unlike you, I have an unhealthy obsession with details

Groet,

Arjan
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 07:52 AM UTC
Ahoy Julian

Looking very very good thus far.

Well done.

I like the weathering.

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 06:24 AM UTC
Coming together:





Touch up time again but I am enjoying this
mcdurd
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 08:04 AM UTC
Thanks Julien and Arjan -

On the Gun shields I used the highly scientific TLAR system - "That Looks About Right"! This was my second effort and I think that I will leave well enough alone - at least for now....

I think I will tackle the foredeck next - looking at references it seems that I will have some more work addressing seams there. Luckily I have plenty of the Archer rivets available to replace what I lose.

Chris
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 07:23 AM UTC
Nice work gents! Chris, I like your upgraded raft and the way you added depth to the hull openings. I wonder what reference you used for the shield extensions. The extensions on the Lang and Ha-Jü boats appear to be somewhat bulkier (the top panels had a trapezium shape rather than a triangular one). I know I'm a hair-splitter Besides, I haven't made any progress myself (apart from adding screwheads to half of the stanchion feet). I do envy your painting skills Julian

Cheers,

Arjan
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 05:58 AM UTC
Beautiful work there McDurd, I added pieces of sprue to the inner hull of the Revell S-100 to add depth to the exhausts etc. This looks just right.
The rafts supplied with the kit are pretty hopeless no matter what you do with them. Still trying to come up with a "cunning plan " for them.
The extended gunshield is great ! This is a must and you have done that very well indeed.
Cheers,
Julian

Photo's added on Fine Scale Modeler:
http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1085361/ShowPost.aspx#1085361 " TARGET="_blank"> http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1085361/ShowPost.aspx#1085361
mcdurd
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 05:06 AM UTC
Here are some progress pictures from a good day of work yesterday. I modified the raft, added extensions to the gun shield and in a fit a craziness drilled out and added depth to all of the various hull openings. I added the tubes on the inside of the hull to an exaggerated depth because I wanted to convey a sense that the pipes go somewhere instead of just terminating. The largest openings were the trickiest using some flexible tubing I was able to feather them in with some thick setting CA.









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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 03:58 AM UTC
Hi Julian

I know Robin is working on a set of mines (with their bases/trolleys) and rails for release soon.

More as soon as I get it

Brian
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 03:16 AM UTC
Looks very nice indeed Brian, will "busy up " the stern section of the boat. I am patiently waiting for Robert Schatton to produce his set of mines. I bought an existing mine from the "Sockel shop" in Germany, check the thread here:
http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1048394/ShowPost.aspx " TARGET="_blank"> http://cs.finescale.com/forums/1048394/ShowPost.aspx
This mine is huge although it is supposed to be 1/35th scale. Can't even begin to think what 6 of these would do to the boats trim.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 02:39 AM UTC
Just got my depthe charge set from Cammetts and thought I would share. Casting is excellent, no warping, bubbles etc. Came with steel tube and rope for the release mechanism but I felt like scratching those bits - tried to get as close to the ref pic as possible but a bit of artistic licence is involved
see what you think.







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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 02:42 AM UTC
Arjan thanks for the idea to get right size will give it a go
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 07:33 AM UTC
Hi Keith,
Good to hear that work is picking up. I have no idea of the size of the extended gunshield . I suggest that you tape pieces of cardboard to the gunshield and compare these to pics. If they are too big, simply cut a bit off. This is simply a matter of trial and error, when you are satisfied with the dimensions, you could make a plastic or metal set. I have discovered that the metal holder/rack in the bridge pic is meant for 7.92mm Mg 34 ammo boxes. The squadron book has a pic of a similar rack on the forward bulkhead, to the right of the port torptube (I assume there was a similar rack beside the starboard torptube as well):


Cheers,

Arjan
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 06:26 AM UTC
While also taking a good look at these great photos Note that the Lang boats deck dark colour does not go around the tube housing as far as the other.Arjan do you have any idea of the sizes for the extended gun sheild on the aft 37mm.Moving along slow at the minute with my build as work has started to pick up a bit
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 05:16 PM UTC
Looks like natural unpainted wood duckboard in the photo
Really excellent for detailing.
Julian
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 08:34 AM UTC
Thanks for the photos Brian - great stuff!!

Two observations:

1. it looks like at least one of the vessels had ther inner face of the karolette hatches painted black (the shot of the two s-boots side by side and the shot of the bridge under way). Note that the adjacent s-boot had the hatches painted the bridge color on the inner face.

2. the front 'turret' cover is significantly darker than the surrounding deck on both vessels - perhaps black?

More stuff to add to the list of tweaks......

Chris
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 05:24 AM UTC
Hi Julian,
It really is a fantastic photo, I wonder what the container/holder beside the door is meant for. It also appears that the speechtubes have different mouth and ear pieces, I had thought they were identical. There are also clips to keep the windscreens upright. The bow view of the other boat is also interesting in that it shows how the tubcover was fastened to the deck.

Cheers,

Arjan