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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 02:01 AM UTC
Hi Joel,
sorry, but the Peddinghaus-decal sheet and your pic aren't showing the crest of the 9th S-flottilla - it's the coat of arms of the 6th S-flottilla!
The following pic is probably showing S-150; here you can see the right emblem:

I found it here: http://www.atlantikpirat.proforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=386


Michael
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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 02:13 AM UTC
i have not received the picture.
Is it this one?



Regards JoŽl

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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 02:29 AM UTC
The most difficult is to obtain the exact form, the colors....

Regards...


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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 02:49 AM UTC
I have seen these helm in a pub in Le Havre.
Perhaps of S-150 ?







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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 10:38 PM UTC
Bill asked me to post this pic for you JoŽl as he was for some reason unable to do so.
It's the wheel from S-116, one of the few E-boats that reached New York after the war.

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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 07:23 AM UTC
Thanks for the picture, Bill and Robert.
It seems to be similar, no ?


If you want, i took some pictures that i can give you.


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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 07:35 AM UTC
Joel

That would be great thanks

Bill
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 07:12 PM UTC
Gentlemen,

on my way through the final frontier of the web I found the following picture from S57

http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=27&q=schnellboot

And here the picture: http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/Enlargement.aspx?id=JB005765&tab=details&caller=search

Weher we can see a little bit more of the tub mechanism of the bow gun. The picture is taken by Scuba divers explore the wreck of the Schnellboot 57, a World War II German Torpedo Boat sunk August 19, 1944 by the English Navy. It lies in 130 feet of water off the coast of Peljsac, Croatia,

Christian
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 12:45 AM UTC
Hello, gents,

Here pictures of my M42, not finished...





I have seen designs in page 28 of Alin.

Is it possible that the S-150 had mechanical sights an curved stands ?
Like U-505.

In this case, i have to modify the structure of the gun....

Have you an idea ?

Regards

JoŽl



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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:48 PM UTC
Hi gents,
Mr. Schatton was very busy to produce a new accessory for our S-100-type s-boat: a socalled "Reissboje", a special weapon to destroy allied mine clearing advices.
I think, his mines were not useful for an S-100, but for S-38 types. Now this Reissboje will be very recommended:


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Posted: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 12:29 AM UTC
That's gonna give modelers a wider range of sea mines to be incorporated on the S-100 worldwide.

Thanks to Mr. Schatton. BTW Have you noticed Cammett has withdrawn everything that concerned the Schnellboot lately? When typing "Schnellboot" in the search field, only Lion Roar's PE appears...

Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 01:16 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi gents,
Mr. Schatton was very busy to produce a new accessory for our S-100-type s-boat: a socalled "Reissboje", a special weapon to destroy allied mine clearing advices.



Sorry, it's certainly a mine clearing device !
Now, this is corrected without the missing edit-button!

Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 08:35 AM UTC
Crew

Seems as the building has slow down though I would let you all know that I have copyied this forum into word and edited the text and print a manual,
only 464 pages.(haved Edited)

Are you'll going to make 500 pages??

Bill
Athens Ga. USA



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Posted: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 08:54 AM UTC
Bill,

We will do our best to cross that line.

Bert
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Posted: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 10:23 AM UTC

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Are you'll going to make 500 pages??



As Bert said it, we'll do our best. On my side, I've still a couple of features to be added, Bill. So yes, I think it shall recoup your cost of a paper ream.
What type size did you use if I may ask?

Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - 12:52 PM UTC
Robert

I have your web Page also up to page 17

Here what one page looks like.

Hi Chris,
look at the pic in the Squadron-book, page 45 / bottom left; thats the rear of the 2mm twin from HaJŁ and Lang: here the ready 20mm clips are mounted directly to the gun shield. Maybe on other boats other versions were mounted, but for HaJŁ and Lang it's clear.
Michael
Hi Arjan -
Excellent pictures, many thanks! More bending and scratching (sounds like me getting up in the morning) ahead of me I guess I assembled both the kit mine rails and the Cammett depth charges this afternoon. The Cammett set is excellent - very easy to assemble. I believe that I will fill all the holes and paint both sets - then use white glue to affix the Cammett set, despite the apparent inaccuracy because it looks so nice sitting there. But, if a decent set of mines comes along I can pull them off and install the kit mine rails.
Michael - were the machine guns MG42s, MG34s or MG81s (from Luft. aircraft using the dual drums)? Or is the answer whatever was available - just like the PT boats in the Pacific? I did pull off the wide ammo holders and made a set of narrower ones - I just need to decide if I want to put single cans or dual cans there.
Chris
Hi Chris,
the german MG15 (regular an aircraftweapon, but later in the war the Luftwaffe needs heavier machine guns and they were replaced; some were rebuilt as infantry weapens with bipod and shoulder butt attachment), MG34 and MG42 are able to use the double-drum containing 75 rounds total; ammunition was fed by a spring forced spiral, not by a belt inside!
I havn't found the real dimensions of the double drum but I think, they will be suitable to the S-boats racks on the bridge walls and near the torpedo tubes.
This racks are too narrow for 250 rounds ammo boxes and too wide for the single drums containing 50 rounds. So the double drums are a good answer to our difficulties.
Till now I havn't found double drums in 1:35, maybe some MG-set encloses them?
Michael

Thank you Michael -
I just ordered 2 of the Tamiya German weapons set (3511) - they are inexpensive and have a tripod mounted MG34 which I will modify. There are drum mags included and I will modify a couple to the dual configuration to at least have a couple in the holders. I am hoping that Quickboost will release a detail set for the Revell of Germany 1/32 JU-88 that may include the drums - or borrow some from a frien who has the kit now.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Giving a closer look to the pic Julian posted earlier, it looks to me -- at first sight -- that the shape of the rectangle box that projects outside the hull (A), if I take into account the slight perspective, rather than to be simply flat as represented on your piccies on page 12, had a more likely sloping sides shape (B). But again, it is only a personal feeling as I have no further detail concerning this piece. Hope it helps...

Asyou can see I remove all the thanks,hello,you did a good job ECt. Have building text and photo I have the forum page number and my page Number. I belive this is my page 124 out of 464

Bill Bibeault
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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 01:32 AM UTC
Now the Flak 37mm is on board.

Next mission : The mines....




JoŽl

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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 04:35 AM UTC
Since I cannot post at the moment, due to some problems that require to be fixed first, I'd like to take this opportunity to express thanks to the following people for their valuable help they brought during all these past months which also created a nice friendship beyond national borders.
Months? Ermm... I know, some people will say "years?" :

Arjan Wiskerke, The Netherlands;
Michael Beduhn, Germany;
Chris McDurd, U.S.A.;
John Murphy, previous editor at Model Military Int'l.;
Brian Steven Balkwill, U.K.;
David Krakow, U.K.;
Robin Carpenter, Cammett Ltd., U.K.;
JŁrgen Eichardt, Germany;
Ola Erlandsson, Sweden;
our silent but nonetheless talented Czech artist, Alin Slos;
Claude Lacroze, France;
Rťmy Vitchťnian, France and
Francis Galli, France

Gentlemen, without your contributions, the task would have been far more difficult to complete in some fields!
My deepest and sincere thanks to you all.

Robert
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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 07:02 AM UTC
My first test about the mine.
The Cammett resin is very good, and thanks for Robert for his post in The colleurs de plastique.

I alter the base of the mine in order to ajust on curved rails, narrower than those in Italeri kit.

I dont' know if this is realist, what do you think of my try ?




Regards


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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 07:07 AM UTC
Oups,
technic problem...



JoŽl

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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 08:25 AM UTC
Hi Joel,
nice mine, but don't "correct" the width of the mines wheels! You will never find an s-boat with more than 6 of those EMCtype mine - each with a weight of 1,135 kg and therefore a total weight of 6,810 kg!! Enough for an s-boats stern, I think!
So there was no cause to use longer rails to store more EMCs. I believe, there's only one conclusion to change the short rails with the narrow and longer ones: They needed more space for another type of mine, which was used very often on sorties with the S-100-type: the LMB (Luftmine Typ B); a mine of Luftwaffe-origin with a longer, cigar-shaped body. The LMB-body was also smaller in diameter as the ball-shaped EMC - due to the need of a lower aerodynamic resistance, when used as a bomber payload. And only the LMBs needed that type of narrow and long rails!
So, please don't deform your EMCs to adapt them to the narrow rails! Use your EMCs on the Italeri-rails - perhaps a mix of 4 EMCs and 2 Reissbojen, as I will do - or search for pics of LMBs and scratch them for your longer rails!

Michael
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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 12:04 PM UTC
The Type 38 had mines also

Bill
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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 07:36 PM UTC
Thanks Gotrek for your reply.
It's for this kind of answer i am in this forum...

It's clear.
I have no choice.

If The S-145 or S-150 may have straights rails in april 1944, it's simple.
Just put iteleri rails and cammett mines.
Was-it possible ?

But if the boat had curved rails, i can't use my mines, and i have to buit LMB mines...

The S-144 in Le Havre had curved rails in june 1944.

Is-it correct ?

JoŽl

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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 07:59 PM UTC
@Joel:
Use the rail you wish, but consider, that the different rails could be replaced within some minutes (only some srews!) due to the opted mine type for the next sortie.

@Bill:
The S-38 type often used the M08/39 of russian origin, that were found in polish arsenals in 1939. You can find a lot of pics, showing M08/39 loaded on s-boats in Oostende. This mines were "consumed" until 1941.
Schatton has built a nice replica in 1:35 (#3546), but not for S-100 types:




Michael
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Posted: Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 11:55 PM UTC
Michael
Thanks for the information,I will have to check it out.

I am reading M.J.Whitley German Coastal Forces of WW II now
and he list several mines used by the S Boats in 1939-1943,maybe I will make a list for the early boat builders as you and Robert have coved the later years

again thanks
Bill