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MSW Build Contest- 1/700 IJN Hiryu
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 04:09 PM GMT+7
Nice work Dade, fiddly stuff there all very cleanly done.

Frank
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 06:56 PM GMT+7
Thanks guys!

Barry, when this build is complete and makes the show rounds, I won't be able to resist placing a note that tells people to make sure to look under the deck. The forward underside should be a little more visible though, do to the shape, so maybe I won't have to...
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2008 - 07:43 PM GMT+7
awesome PE work... goodness... good thing you can take "before" pics!
Karybdis
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Posted: Friday, August 08, 2008 - 03:08 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

awesome PE work... goodness... good thing you can take "before" pics!



Thanks! Now if only I could maybe spray some dull coat on that PE to cut down on glare...
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Posted: Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:13 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Thanks guys!

Barry, when this build is complete and makes the show rounds, I won't be able to resist placing a note that tells people to make sure to look under the deck. The forward underside should be a little more visible though, do to the shape, so maybe I won't have to...



Hi Dade

You can always place a small tilted mirror, so that the viewer can see the underside of the deck without making a big effort, or try to place his head too near of the model - a very stressful situation!!

Keep up,
Rui
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Posted: Friday, August 08, 2008 - 01:28 PM GMT+7
Hi Rui,

That's a really good idea, but I had planned on this being in the water with people on it, etc. That way I can also use the time to write my how-to article on foil water I've been talking about. I may try to put a tilted mirror at the edge of the water base and see if that works though. Thanks for the idea!
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 - 08:01 AM GMT+7
I'm realy impressed with this build, Dade, and as Guido says it looks like fun as well. I think you're capturing the power and spirit of this ship - let's see some more!

Peter F
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 - 12:15 PM GMT+7
Thanks Peter!

This build will speed up beyond a snail's pace once I get the Kongo build review out the door and finish the 1/250 Musashi. Then, finally, I'll hit flank speed on this bad boy. Right now, I feel bad I can't do more, but I have to just do enough to try to stay in the running. Besides, as fast as you guys are moving, somebody has to round out the year's time for this contest!
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Posted: Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 11:37 PM GMT+7
As always, coming in at the wire. This time around, it's finishing off the girders under the forward section of the flight deck. This was another construct that took forever to do, and I'm glad to finally be done with all of those goofy girders. They look great, but the tedium is amazing!





With the girders done, I could finally get to work on some more exciting stuff. Next up is the wind deflector...







I like how the deflector looks and it really makes the deck more exciting. Enjoy and see you next month!
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 01:06 AM GMT+7
Beautiful work Dade. Tedious though it may be, the girder work is outstanding. At the risk of repeating myself - its going to be a shame to paint all that PE. Barry
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 06:13 AM GMT+7
"Build Session 3 Closed~Keep Modeling!"
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 09:12 AM GMT+7
My god. That’s just insane.
Fantastic work with all that PE.
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 01:29 PM GMT+7
Excellent!!
Just wonderful craftsmanship!
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 10:16 PM GMT+7
Thanks a bunch guys. This month we may actually finally see some plastic in this build log! All of that PE glare is blinding me!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:34 AM GMT+7
Hi, Dade!
For some reason I don't know your blog is the only one I can't see any pictures. Must be something about the bandwidth of the net here in the Chinese province.
Could you send me your pictures to my e-mail address? guido.hopp"at"gmail.com.
That would be great! See all the guys chime about your work and not be able to see it drives me nuts!
TIA
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 01:51 AM GMT+7
Hi Guido!

Sure, no problem- email sent.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 02:07 AM GMT+7
Got it!
Thanks, mate!
Beautiful work!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:22 AM GMT+7
Hi Dade that,s more like a mini engineering project than a model kit amazing work with the photo etch really inspirering.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:25 PM GMT+7
amazing work and craftmanship! great close up pics too...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 01:54 PM GMT+7
Thanks again guys. When I finally begin the priming process, I'll have to remember to take some pics then as the PE glare obscures some of the detail and the primered parts should be more clear. I guess someday I'm just gonna have to break down and buy some diffusers to cut down on glare in all these PE builds. This project has definitely prepared me for the "Great PE Girder Swap" that the 1/350 Akagi will inevitably have...
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 07:13 PM GMT+7
Alrighty, a bigger update this time. As the Kongo comes closer to completion, you'll see me coming out of cruise control on the Hiryu and more of my A-Game coming into play.

This mainly shows how I make my 1/700 water bases that various folks have been asking for. Unfortunately, this won't be a complete tutorial until after the Hiryu's hull is painted and mounted in the water, but this is a good 90% of the process. When the entire process is done, I'll post it as a feature.

The first step is to build your hull to its main waterline component and nothing more. The reason for this is that you'll be handling it a lot and you don't want to mess up any paint or break anything off. So, get the basic hull together, follow the steps shown, and then finish the hull (I add all above deck detail and rigging after the hull is mounted to the base).


Here is the base.




Aluminum foil is cut to size, allowing for a border along the base.




Crumple the foil into a loose ball multiple times. You may be tempted to make the ball tight and "crumply" in one shot, but I highly caution against this. The reason being is that it may hard to unroll the ball without tearing the foil.




Here is the foil, crumpled, and laid out on the base with the hull dry fit. Fold the four edges of the foil under about 1/8" to make a nice looking edge to the foil.





Spread glue in the middle area of where the foil will go. I use Weld Bond, which is kind of like a deluxe white glue.




While the glue is still wet, press the hull down into the foil to make a "settled" impression. This helps reduce a lot of the "riding" you see in a lot of builds where there are gaps between the hull and water.




Also, while the glue is still wet, use the back of your fingernail to make impressions in the foil where the wake is.




Glue down the edges of the foil and continue your wake indentations.




The foil secured and with the hull dry fit. I usually flatten out the foil ahead of the ship a little more to make the water less chaotic where the ship hasn't traveled. The foil behind the ship stays messy.





After the glue has dried, cut a square in the foil where the hull will go. Make sure the square is thin enough that it won't be seen under the hull. Make some scratches in the exposed base wood and the bottom of the hull. This is to give a secure glue anchor point for when you mount the hull.




Mask off the exposed base wood. Here is where you can straighten out any curved edges in your foil by masking a straight line with the tape. Primer is sprayed on. Then the base color is sprayed on. Spray cans are perfectly acceptable for this phase as it's more about coverage than precision.




The base color used here is Model Master Blue Angel Blue. Use lighter base colors for shallow water, darker for deeper.




Here is the secondary color I often use, the aptly named Deep Ocean. The white is for the wave crests. I like to use Reaper and Vallejo paints here as they can thin with water for easy application. The brush has stiff bristles cut short for effective dry brushing.




Heavily thinned Deep Ocean is blotted on with a medium sized brush. I like Deep Ocean as it has some green to add richness to the base color.




After the secondary color dries, put a coat of Future Floor Wax to the foil. Future gives a nice wet sheen which is good since water is... uh... well... wet.




The stiff brush is used to dry brush on the first phase of the water crests with the white.




This is a foundation and more white can be added (or subtracted) in the final phase, after the hull is mounted and we get a better idea of the overall color scheme of the scene. Here is the hull dry fit.




Phase One of the base is done. Now the base gets set aside until after the hull is painted and ready to mount. Because of this, Phase Two won't be shown for another couple updates.
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 08:12 PM GMT+7
Dade! Terrific step-by-step update. I noticed you said you use this technique for 1/700 models - do you do something different for 1/350? Any reason this method would work at larger scales? Thanks!
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 09:59 PM GMT+7
Howdy Barry,

Honestly, I've never built any 1/350 in a water scene, only as full hull, so I'm not sure. I think that the process as shown would probably only work for really calm water (at port, etc.) due to the scale effect. If you're doing a 1/350 ship underway in open seas, even on a calm ocean, the foil process may be too small. OTOH, a foil overlay on larger wave shapes made with putty, etc., could be pretty neat...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 03:16 AM GMT+7
Great stuff, dade, and another way to portray water as well. I think I'll give it a try as long as it's robust enough. I have a scene that has towering waves so it may be a bit hopeful - neverless.........

Cheers,

Peter F
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Posted: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 06:48 AM GMT+7
Nice work!

Ah yes, Mr. Bell, I sense another "water base making" feature that will soon be added to our data-banks here at MSW, mate...

As I am doing with Peter Fulgoney's base method (which is soon to be complete), with your blessing, Dade, I would like to create a feature using your BLOG posts for a future feature article...whaddaya think?